In one of our first posts, The Who and the What, we had alluded to our plan (hope?) of being FIRE by 2023. The time has now come to throw some light on activities behind the scenes that will radically change the 2023 timeline.
First, why 2023? With the accelerated pay-down of our mortgage, we would outright own our home in 4 more years. Assets would have grown as well and it would be the perfect time to bow out of full-time jobs.
What’s changing? Well, we are going to super charge one of our RE (not quite the FI) date and slow burn the other’s FIRE date.
M is going to stop working full-time by beginning of 2020. (possibly earlier)
W is going to work full-time, foresee-ably, till 2030.
Why is the timeline changing so drastically and differently for both of us?
Long-ish story …
M started a job last year that increased the paycheck by about 50%. But with that added money comes the multiplied baggage of corporate America – longer hours, more responsibility, travel. Ah, travel. M has been traveling every week since the beginning of the year! People within this industry are are expected to, and do, travel a lot. Before taking the job we were aware about the travel aspect but did not quite understand the rigors it would put on the entire family. The burden it puts on one parent to take care of everything in the home.
Especially, not being home for our child, D. One thing that became painfully apparent was how much M was missing D, and vice-versa. So Travel, bye Felicia!
Another factor is the culture of the industry M works in. People are very, VERY driven. Most will not think twice before putting in an 80-hour work week. The unwritten “expectation” is 60 hours, which M was aware of and have no problem in following. The more M interacted with senior leadership the more M questioned whether M want to be like them in 5 years or so. So completely invested – heart and soul – into the company and what it stood for and the work. It is not in M’s nature to be that invested in work.
Maybe switching to a job that did not involve travel, or moving to a different industry, could be the cure?
This led to a greater introspection of what M wants from a job or life in general.
What M realized is that spending time with family is the #1 thing right now. Especially since D is growing up so fast that missing days away from family is akin to missing a new facet of personality developing. Even a job that doesn’t require travel would require going in to work from 9 to 5. During the summer. On a gorgeous day.
Go out and play. Hit a ball. Catch a fish. Kick a ball. Ride a bike. Throw a ball. Build a castle in the sand. Ride kayak. Get a couple of bruises to reminisce about.
When being at daycare is grandly trumped by the above actions!
FIRE, technically, should give us the time to spend together as family. There is a meme doing the rounds of social media. It says,
We get 18 delicious summers with our children. This is one of your 18. If that’s not perspective, I don’t know what it is.
As parents we get 18 years to really interact with our progeny to mold them into functioning human beings. I would argue that it is actually less than 18 years when you subtract the 0-4 years in front, and possibly the 4 years of high school. 10 full years. If we can’t give our kids the highest priority for these formative years, which is on average one-eighth of our life span, what does that tell about us?
Another thing that came out of the conversations was how W did not see the RE aspect of FIRE the same way M does. W really likes the work, the workplace, the people interaction. Even if we stayed on our current plan, and were to be on the verge of FIRE in 2023, W is not sure if quitting the full-time job would be the calling. W’s health insurance continuing through work is another added bonus, which in turn keeps our out of pocket costs down.
This double realization – where M does not want to continue full-time work and W does want to continue full-time work – made us stop and rethink our FIRE path forward. Could we be at a point where if we did not put in a single dollar towards investments, we still could end up being FIRE in 11 years?
And running the numbers, the answer is a resounding yes!
From our end of June post, we have $604k in retirement accounts. If we stopped funding all of our retirement accounts right now, at the end of 11 years, that sum would have grown to $1.16M, at 6% compound interest. Which is quite a conservative estimate.
It is a very realistic scenario that we might be truly FIRE by year 9 or 10.
Adam, over at Brewing FIRE, had this very lucid and dear to heart post about “Coast FIRE”. He explains the “stopping point” where “we will stop pedaling and let our momentum carry us to financial independence“. Encourage everyone to go over there and read his piece in entirety. He ran some good numbers as well.
We think we are at this coast point now. We can cut back on work, we can remain thrifty (maybe a bit more so), and can start to appreciate the mundane aspects of life.
Wait, what will M actually do after leaving full-time job? Being more involved in taking care of the family is where most of the freed up time will now be spent. Things like cooking dinner most days of the week. Mowing the yard and cleaning the house, and not outsourcing those chores. Less or no before and after school care for D. Even self-care activities as going to the gym regularly, playing on recreational adult sport teams.
M is certain to do some sort of part-time work as well in RE. M really wants to pursue some hands-on endeavor where the fruits of labor are tangible. Coaching athletics/sports, substitute teaching, tutoring school aged kids. Getting a commercial driving license and doing some seasonal work. Maybe get a CFP certification and become a financial planner to help families who aren’t as savvy. Maybe getting involved in local and grass-root activism. There are plenty of options around.
Netting around $1K a month shouldn’t be a huge deal with a few days worth of few-hours-a-day work.
M has worked all 15-years of professional life sitting in front of a computer. That is about to change and the excitement is palpable 🙂
6 thoughts on “A big change in FIRE plan”
I believe that some people focus too much on FIRE without looking at the FI separate from the RE. The reason that Dr. SoS went into private practice was mainly to give her more time to spend with Baby SoS. Her practice is growing, but she only works at the office 24 hours per week. The remaining time allows her to take Baby SoS to school and study to learn new skills. I think it is great to want to stop working provided you have ideas of how you will spend your time.
We are in a similar position where we have $615K in investments. Our main goal right now is to pay off our last three loans totaling $387K. We plan to have them paid by 2027, but depending on how aggressive we get, could have them paid by 2025. I imagine that we will hit FI even before these loans are fully paid. It is good that you had the conversation to decide who wants what. Too often families do not discuss what each partner wants and they do not figure out what would be best for everyone. Once we hit FI, I am not sure what will happen. I enjoy my job. Dr. SoS enjoys her job. Perhaps we will FatFIRE it all the way to the bank.
Thanks for the update!
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Yeah, the term FIRE sounds cool but the two aspects may not necessarily always go hand in hand.
Getting rid of close to $400k of debt in 6 more years – well, that’s hardcore! All the best.
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As I was reading this post, I kept saying, “yes, YES, I love this! Great mindset.” And then I laughed when you referred to my post. I guess we’re on the same page here.
I’m in an eerily similar situation to you. 5 more years of [full time x2] and we’d almost definitely be FI. But Mrs. BF doesn’t necessarily want to stop working, and I want to stop for now and shift gears to something else. Most of all, I want to be home with my daughter more. So I’m increasingly weighing the idea of leaving the workforce next year and “coasting.” Excited to hear more about your plan.
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Exactly, spend more time with child, that’s the primary motivation. And we are on very similar path. Cheers!
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